Steve Helvin

Well it was — that was the way it was in Virginia and that’s the problem. The mindset was this is the way it was and that’s the way it is and you just — you know, you didn’t worry about it. I mean, it’s horrible to say these things because it sounds so insensitive now but it truly was insensitive — but we didn’t realize it then. And we — occasionally we would have pickup games and Black and White kids would play together at sandlot. But we never socially did anything. And nobody gave it a second thought — the Whites, at least. I’m sure the Black students in those days were terribly hurt but we didn’t sense it.