RONALD W: I wouldn’t call it friendship, more of being tolerated, and so forth. I wasn't allowed to play any sports. We’d go out there and we play, for phys ed we would go out and play touch football, so forth, but they were forming a football league, touch football league for the various elementary schools, and I was told that I couldn’t participate.
PHYLLIS LEFFLER: Wow. And were you told why, or did you just know why?
RONALD W: Well they said they couldn’t guarantee my safety. Safety was not an issue that I was concerned about.
ROLAND W: No, I wasn’t either.
RONALD W: Cause you give as good as you get.