Chip German

So I was paying attention to what was going on with bands.  And I did have also one of my confusions about integration was how Elmer [Sampson?] got to be a junior leader of the band environment at Albemarle, rather than having co-leading, co-directors of the band.  It just seemed to make so much sense to me that what we needed to do was, have people come in, in the positions that they held at the other school, and carry that for a while to set the tone, that this is -- it was separate and never equal before.  Now it’s together, and let’s try to do a little bit on the equal part.

Phyllis Leffler: And still unequal, right?

Chip German: Yeah.