Nancy Tramontin: We were a pretty close unit because we were -- you know, it became clear that at some point -- it felt to me like it was kind of dad against the world. And I recently came across this note I wrote to him of like -- yeah, I must have been 10 -- of total support, and you know, just, “The best dad in the world,” and, “Don’t let anything get you down.” So, yeah, I think we became aware of the stress that he was under, and I mean I -- we were and are such a close family. We’ve stayed like that through the decades, but, you know, it was a concerning time. It was clear he was under a lot of pressure, it was clear that there was a world of this racial strife, particularly ’65-’66, that was swirling around us that was very uncomfortable. And I think I was probably oblivious to anything that was going on with teachers in those later years partly because I was such a goofy kid, but also because I just wasn’t really looking for it. But how would you say it --
Mark Tramontin: I think the ultimate of dad’s impact was his legacy which is his kids.