Mark Tramontin: He was a real example. There were a couple -- I was thinking of [Beverly Hathaway?] was a science teacher, and she was -- she led by -- I mean she was extraordinary. I think there were one or two African American kids -- they weren’t friends of mine -- in my science class, but she treated everyone with the ultimate respect. And we had some that didn’t. I mean there was -- oh, God, I’m trying to think of her name. There was one teacher, she was really, really old, and I can always remember there was one kid -- African American kid -- in the class, and every time he raised his hand, she refused to acknowledge him. Just refused all the time. Poor kid tried like hell, but she would never ever ever acknowledge him.
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